P.C. and Chaya Venkat were pestering me to wear a hat. I had made the mistake of admitting that, despite a history of skin cancer, I did not always wear one.
We were meeting the Venkats at an Italian restaurant in Sedona early in 2004. Marilyn and I were taking them out as a “thank you” for their website, CLL Topics, and for being there while I struggled with my diagnosis and early treatment decisions.
I had run across Topics one night in October 2003, some five weeks after I got the news that I had a virtually unpronounceable as well as incurable disease that could only be treated by dangerous drugs I had never heard of. Topics was a fairly new website then, not quite as encyclopedic or well-known as it is today. But it was still a welcome voice in the wilderness for those seeking to understand chronic lymphocytic leukemia. I found the feedback form and wrote the following:
“Hi, Chaya, et al.: [I didn’t realize the “et al.” was P.C., who acted as webmaster and editor.] I just want to let you know how much I appreciate this website! I have recently been diagnosed with CLL, and your site is a comprehensive, intelligent forum for the latest information. I'm 47 and I feel fine, but have swelling of the spleen and lymph nodes; my oncologist recommends I start chemotherapy within the next couple of weeks. I found your site quite by accident, on page five of a Google search on 'fludarabine.' I'm amazed I had not run across it before. At any rate, thank you so much. I'll be spending a lot of time here in the coming days as I learn everything there is to know about CLL and my treatment options. I see you are in Arizona -- my wife and I live in Sedona. Thanks again for all your hard work. Believe me, it is very much appreciated! Cordially, David”
And I received this reply from a Mr. P.C. Venkat:
“Hi David:
Thanks for your email. Delighted that you find our website a useful resource.
I knew we were going to run into a CLL Topics visitor from Sedona sooner or later. The amazing thing is that until we got your message, it hadn't happened yet. Well, congratulations, you are #1 from Sedona, which is where Chaya and I just happen to live. Welcome, neighbor.
Chaya and I would be happy to hear from you if you would like to talk to us. You may reach us at XXX-XXXX. What the heck, we can even meet if that works better.
Best regards, P. C. Venkat”
That is how our friendship began, and it was the start of our shared struggle against CLL. I say shared, for we were comrades in battle, even though the Venkats had a somewhat better understanding of what we were fighting. Chaya and P.C. quickly became mentors, examples of how to research the facts and put all the information together in a strategic vision. The struggles of ensuing years were yet to come. That night at the restaurant, over pasta and with our faces framed by candlelight, we were in a sense starting out, optimistic and hopeful.
When Marilyn and I arrived, the Venkats were already there. P.C. looked rather dashing, a thin and wiry man with a salt-and-pepper goatee. Chaya had a friendly face and radiant eyes, and salt-and-pepper hair that complemented his. Before dinner began, P.C. briefly donned a brown Aussie hat to demonstrate how such amazing contraptions are worn.
One thing the Venkats had been learning about was the tendency of CLL patients to develop squamous cell and other skin cancers, of which I had a history. (This is the sort of dinner conversation we often enjoyed with the Venkats: chemotherapy, complications, the latest buzz about promising treatments, as well as the unending kerfluffles in the world of CLL.) Here I was, pink-complexioned, a product of the Russian steppes and the British Isles. And stubborn as hell, having ignored Marilyn’s admonitions for years to wear sunscreen (“too yucky”) and a hat (“too hot,” “too inconvenient”).
Chaya and P.C. put the fear of god in me, with plenty of abstracts sent my way and other incontrovertible evidence that proved that when it came to sun precautions, I was being a dumbass. I will never forget the e-mail P.C. sent me, following on a discussion of skin tone and sun damage:
“Hi David:
Just so that you don't feel singled out on the strength of your undeniable pinkness, consider this. I have cafe-au-lait or perhaps cafe-mocha skin color, I was born in Malaysia (2 degrees north of the Equator), and have not always been afflicted with CLL or knowledge of it. Nevertheless, ever since we moved to Arizona, I have worn a broad-brimmed hat, even before I was diagnosed, and wore it on ten yard trips to the mailbox, excursions into the back yard, to the post office, fancy restaurants, doctor's offices, not to mention hikes and long drives. And, I might add, took a lot of ribbing for it from parties I will not mention. With some determination and in spite of an early tendency to lose track of the much maligned object, it has become a trademark. People are surprised now when they see me without the darn thing. See, cussedness does pay off. You can take comfort from this too: if it gets ratty enough, nobody will be tempted to make off with it.
Best,
PC (Mr. Bronze to you.)” I still smile when I read this even though P.C. is gone, for it sums up his sense of humor, his no-nonsense approach to things, and his willingness to be of help. This was something that ran in both Venkats. A short time later, Chaya published Dying to Get a Tan on CLL Topics. She wrote it with me in mind, she said. In other words, I was the idiot who helped inspire her cautionary warning to patients everywhere. But it was done out of love, and with good humor.
And that is what CLL Topics was and is, a labor of love. It was a labor for the larger patient community, an effort by two people uniquely suited to making sense of insensible papers, a couple with bullshit detectors the size of the Hubble telescope, a talented pair who could separate the wheat from the chaff and distill a muddle of information down to the essential. I was honored to serve on the Topics Board of Directors for a few years and was able to observe close-up the quality of attention that the Venkats put into patient education and advocacy. They lived it and breathed it 24/7.
But Topics was also something more personal, a way for Chaya to help her husband and for both Venkats to put their heads together in search of a way out of this CLL mess. We used to joke about the fact that many of the articles seemed to be about medical issues P.C. was currently experiencing or treatment options that he was considering.
And we also used to joke about the fact that I seemed to be following in P.C.’s footsteps when it came to treatment. We both started out with single-agent Rituxan, for example, and once sat side by side in the infusion room. By last year, when it was clear that P.C. was going to undergo a double cord blood transplant, a transplant looked to be in my future, too. Dr. John Byrd and the inevitable progress of the disease had told me it was.
When we ate dinner last summer at a Thai restaurnt, P.C. explained in detail why the time for his transplant had come. There was no sibling or unrelated donor for an adult stem cell transplant. His remissions from HuMax-CD20 were getting shorter. He was in the peak of health, with no comorbidities, and he wasn’t getting any younger. It was clearly a decision that he felt comfortable with, one that made sense.
I am reminded here of a quote from the Czech playwright and president Vaclav Havel:
"Hope is not the conviction that something will turn out well, but the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out."
And so P.C. began his preparations and earlier this year traveled with Chaya to the University of Minnesota to undergo the procedure. I last spoke to him around the end of May. He was feeling good, happy that the engraftment was going well. It all looked promising. And then, as Chaya has so eloquently explained in Harvey’s Journal, the unexpected happened, and it was followed by the unthinkable: P.C.’s death.
As I write this I still cannot fully believe that he is gone. The story was supposed to end differently, with P.C. finding his cure and me somehow lumbering along after and with the four of us raising glasses of red wine in 20 years and saying, “Remember that time we had CLL?”
Oh, how I wish stories had happy endings. I wish it for Chaya, who wrote article after article with love and affection for the Round-Headed Kid. The EGCG-based recipe for Harvey’s Chocolates symbolized her devotion -– a homemade treat, a way to knock back CLL in the dark chocolate that P.C. enjoyed.
And, of course, I wish it for P.C., who was as good a man as any I have ever known. Many tears have been shed this past week, and not just in Sedona. P.C. had friends everywhere that people struggle with leukemia.
But he would not want us to spend too much time crying; he would call upon us to be brave and continue on. P.C. approached things with logic, focus, and determination. He did not spend his time shaking his fist at the stars or bemoaning his fate. He was not a prisoner of fear. He did not ask anyone else to do the heavy lifting when it came to learning what CLL was and how to cope with it.
P.C. was a superb strategist who did everything right. It was one of those curveballs that Chaya has written about so often that got him. There was no way to see it coming.
It strikes close to home, of course. One of those curveballs may yet get me. Or perhaps I will survive. The one thing I know is that if I do somehow beat CLL, it is because I learned how to fight from P.C. Venkat.
I tip my hat, which I wear all the time now, to you, P.C. You will be missed more than you could ever know.
Three of my favorite people: Terry Hamblin, left, with P.C. Venkat and Chaya Venkat. The photo was taken when the Venkats went to England in 2006.The landscape photos accompanying this post are of Sedona, the sort of scenes P.C. saw every day from the trails he loved to hike with his dog, Jasper.
Someone e-mailed recently and asked me to write about what life was like just after my diagnosis with chronic lymphocytic leukemia. SoI began to think about those days in the fall of 2003 and how they compare to the way I experience CLL today, almost five years later.
Five years is a chunk of change, time-wise. Long enough to have traveled from a sort of childlike innocence about CLL to an older and wiser adulthood. Long enough to have had history with the disease. Long enough to see the contrasts between then and now.
I was diagnosed on September 3, 2003, and have written here about the surreal experiences of that day. It started with a dream in which the room was spinning and it ended with being discharged from the emergency room having learned that I had leukemia but that it was, as the ER doc sunnily put it, “the good kind to have.”
In other words, to put the cherry on the Salvador Dali sundae, I had just won the cancer lottery.
The “good cancer” speech is a rite of passage for most CLLers. It’s like being told Santa Claus exists. Later, we grumble to one another that Santa isn’t what he’s been made out to be. Why, for example, does he bring us so many lumps of coal? Eventually we learn that this isn’t Jolly Old Saint Nick at all but rather his long-lost sociopathic brother, Dick, whose purpose in life is to give us the shaft.
But back then, in the very beginning, the “good cancer” speech was comforting. It made it possible to not freak out entirely. It provided a sense that despite the diagnosis there was still time to be had.
I can only describe the first few weeks of life with CLL as a combination of the momentous and the mundane. Momentous, obviously, because I had been diagnosed with an incurable cancer. It wrenched me out of a comfortable if rather dull reality into a new one in which my emotions and senses were heightened. The fear of being dead was making me feel much more alive.
When I ate an apple, I savored it more. When I went for a walk, I noticed the scent of the trees. When I listened to music, it hit a deeper note within me. I was no longer taking things for granted, and I was drinking in the world around me. This was a subtle and subconscious thing that simply just started, like the flipping of a switch, after I was diagnosed.
At the same time, I was aware of how fragile I was. On anything medical, I held Marilyn’s hand. She was the one who, initially, looked into the tests, the drugs, the details of the disease. She kept a folder in the bookmarks on our computer entitled “CLL -- M only.” I didn’t go there, nor did I want to. If there was something she felt I needed to know, she would find a comfortable article, or segment of an article, for me to read. What little internet searching I did in the beginning was for stories of CLL survivors, people who had lived a long time with the disease. I wanted to see proof that it was possible. This was part of my first great task after diagnosis, which was to begin to grapple emotionally and spiritually with what it meant to have leukemia. And there was a purpose to this beyond mere navel-gazing. I was less concerned with the “why it happened” than the “can I survive it?” And it wasn’t so much “can I?” as “how will I?” It was “what do I need to do?”
This proactive, optimistic approach reflects my personality. I do not enjoy sitting around being miserable. And the “I” is important here; I felt from the very beginning that beating CLL was something that I needed to do. Obviously it would require the help of doctors and drugs. But this was my body and my life; I could not use ignorance as an excuse, or being overwhelmed as an excuse, and surrender the struggle to someone else. I felt then, and I feel now, that to beat cancer you need to put your all into it.
To summon my all, and to adjust to the wherewithal of the “new normal,” I gave myself the gift of time. Every evening I took at least an hour for some dedicated coping. Marilyn had bought a book years earlier that acted as my guide for the start of this journey: Getting Well Again, by O. Carl Simonton, et al. It covered all the bases -- the “cancer personality,” fear of death, handling treatment, relationships with friends and family, living with a chronic condition. It provided visualization techniques (such as killing cancer cells) along with exercises (“If you had a month to live, what would you do?”) that I found to be helpful. I read just a few pages a day and kept a journal in which I wrote down important points, revelations I had, exercises the book called on me to do. (Those who wish to read the enthusiastic review I posted to Amazon.com in November 2003 can click here.)
What I was doing was empowering myself. I realized on a gut level that I could not cope with important issues like treatment -- and my hem/onc was starting to breathe down my neck about doing single-agent fludarabine –- without developing the tools necessary to make good decisions. To do that, I needed to summon the inner strength to look beyond fear and find a more balanced, centered view of leukemia and what it meant for my life.
Let’s face it, fear was ever-present, always lurking in the background, sometimes reaching the freak-out stage several times a day, especially when a doctor visit or test result was impending. I developed a couple of techniques for coping with it. One was to silently say “cancel” when I began to feel it coming on; sometimes I said "cancel" dozens of times a day. The other was to keep a useful quote written on a piece of paper in my pocket: “Panic is a projection that is not real. We are not just our fears. Our fears do not necessarily determine our future. This is significant.” Those were the words of Greg Anderson, a lung cancer survivor and author of 50 Essential Things to Do when the Doctor Says It's Cancer. Another thing I did was tell myself “One step at a time, one day at a time.” This helped keep me from feeling overwhelmed and it often kept anxieties from getting out of hand. It was a way of giving myself permission not to cope with everything at once. That included not telling friends and family, which would have created an obligation for me to respond to their well-meant questions when I was barely able to cope with my own.
These early weeks also involved some crying on Marilyn’s shoulder, often literally. She may be a little under 5' 3" but she has the shoulders of Atlas. Her supportive nature and her sense of calm (for she kept her fears away from me), were essential in creating the nurturing environment that I needed. In so many ways she helped me keep my balance, as she still does.
So that was the program: Taking time. Finding my inner strength. Nurturing myself. Those were the essential steps in learning to cope, in embracing the experience and getting beyond the reactive nature of the animal brain (fear) and into the zone of a somewhat calm, if not always zen-like, approach. (I’m not the Dalai Lama, and being calm about cancer is an imperfect process. But five years later I can say that raw fear is something I rarely feel.) Full Catastrophe Living is both the title of a useful book by Jon Kabat-Zinn, a physician and Buddhist, and a pretty fair description of what life with CLL is like sometimes.
Slowly I was able to start handling the details of CLL on my own, the reading and the researching. One night, while looking up “Rituxan,” I came across a website called CLL Topics. Back in 2003, there was very little patient-friendly information on the internet. No blogs, few discussion groups, little analysis that put things like therapy choices into perspective. So CLL Topics was a revelation. The least I could do was send an e-mail to the website’s owners and thank them. And that is how I learned that Chaya and PC Venkat live four miles away. Marilyn and I became friendly with them, and some time later I wrote an article for Topics, with new patients in mind, called “Getting a Grip.”
Now, I mentioned before that in the beginning Marilyn was the one who kept track of the mechanics of CLL -- the diagnostic and prognostic details, the treatment options, the cold hard facts, the scary stuff. With time I took over this duty, and I did if for two reasons: One, because in order to put my all into the battle, I need to know what I am fighting. And two, because it would not be fair to burden her with the nasty details and attendant fears and stresses while I live in la-la land.
And that is the choice all newbies must make: Whether to accept and embrace this new journey or not. Internet forums are filled with spouses who do the talking and the learning while their CLL mates go on pretending that nothing is wrong. Maybe this works for them in a way, but I do not think it is the path to choose if you want to maximize your chances of beating CLL.
As Dr. Jerome Groopman has demonstrated, there is real hope -- as opposed to wishful thinking -- to be found in the battle against cancer. But it requires a certain degree of involvement, a good familiarity with the facts, an emotional coming to terms, a synthesis of the information on a conscious and a subconscious level.
The bottom line is this:
If we cease to be the prisoners of our fears, we can cease to be the prisoners of our disease.
February 2014 in Sedona, AZ, slimmed down to 144 lbs.
My name is David Arenson and I have chronic lymphocytic leukemia. It may kill me. Then again, it may not. Life is full of surprises, although I must admit that this is not the sort of cliffhanger that I had in mind for my 50s.
Until a few years ago, like most people, I had assumed death and disease were the province of old age, not the prime of life. I was just an average person health-wise, and feeling rather fine, thank you. I passed by the occasional wheelchair-bound person or bald-headed chemotherapy patient and didn't think that sort of thing would ever apply to me. The odds were against it, after all. Then, after a blood test at age 46, I became one of those people.
And so, my life has changed. I still enjoy the same things I always have – my beautiful and wonderful soulmate, Marilyn, and music, and walks in the woods, and cheap Asian food at strip malls, and movies in which a giant reptile threatens an entire city.
But I also have a new reality that intrudes, one where mutant B lymphocytes threaten my entire body, and one which requires becoming accustomed to unfamiliar and intimidating territory. My spleen and lymph nodes are swollen and my neck sometimes looks like that of a chipmunk storing too many nuts; bothersome nodes in my left pelvic area are a constant reminder that something is wrong with my body. Over time my immunity has been degraded and I have had to rely more on antibiotics to shake infections that once gave me no pause. I have also experienced the joys of autoimmune hemolytic anemia, of which there are none, which is a scary condition in which the body destroys its own red blood cells, and which leads to fatigue.
My CLL has had more than a physical impact. It has been quite an education -- both in terms of what I have learned about my ability to cope with what once was unthinkable, and in terms of navigating the almost freakishly contradictory world of CLL management and treatment. Needless to say, only a fool treads there without getting the lay of the land; too many local doctors are simply clueless, and even the experts can disagree. I do not claim to have it all figured out, and I expect that I never will, but I am doing my best, and I hope some of my thoughts can be of use to you.
So, if sharing my journey helps you along the way, it will have been my pleasure, something green and growing in this hard, new landscape. We help each other as we can, and this is why we have a vibrant CLL community of websites, forums, and blogs (see links below). The end of the circle is the start of the circle. What goes around comes around.
Writing has been in my blood longer than CLL. I am a former newspaper reporter and editor and co-author with Marilyn of two humor-trivia books, Disco Nixon and Rambo Reagan. Marilyn and I met at the University of California at Santa Cruz and now live in the red rock country of Northern Arizona . . . CLL Diary has been featured in CR, the magazine of the American Association for Cancer Research, and in Family Practice Management, a publication of the American Academy of Family Physicians. Besides writing about CLL, I helped establish CLL Forum, one of the largest discussion groups for patients and caregivers.
As we patients eventually learn, CLL is not a one-size-fits-all disease. Some cases are indolent, some progressive, some quite aggressive. Prognostic tests can give us a much better idea of what type of CLL we are dealing with. Knowledge is power, and I believe patients should have these tests and know what they mean. They do not provide a complete picture, and sometimes clinical symptoms tell a different story than one might expect from the results, but they are important tools that can help determine the when and what of treatment.
Here are the tests: IgVH mutational status, FISH, ZAP-70 (as done at a research institution such as UC San Diego, not a commercial lab), and CD38.
My tests indicate a progressing disease. I am IgVH unmutated and ZAP-70 positive, as measured at UCSD. I developed an 11q deletion per FISH in 2006, which disappeared in 2012 for some mysterious reason, giving way to a 13q deletion. I am CD38 positive now, despite having been CD38 negative for years.
Given my tender age, I will always be navigating treatment options if I want to have any hope of living a normal life span. Knowing my test results helps me plan ahead, and knowing the possible end point in my battle with CLL helps me plan what treatments make the most sense, and in what order. Like many CLLers, I am encouraged by the progress being made by new drugs such Ibrutinib and ABT-199; not to mention the news that T-cells can be supercharged to wipe out the CLL -- in much the same ferocious way that macrophages went after my red cells during hemolysis with AIHA.
The "when and what" of treatment is a subject of great debate among CLL experts as well as patients and local doctors. I tend to take a conservative approach, ever aware of the fact that overall survival in CLL depends not just on the effectiveness of your first treatment. What you do for an encore -- your ability to respond to treatment again, and then again -- may determine how long you get to stand on the stage. The late CLL expert Dr. Terry Hamblin once wrote that CLL is a war of attrition, and I am ever mindful that such wars are won, if they can be won, slowly.
Whether my decisions ultimately are proved wise will be written in these pages. I began using single-agent rituximab (Rituxan) in 2004, adding the steroid methylprednisolone in March 2007 to combat AIHA. In October 2007, after a severe AIHA relapse that left me steroid refractory, I was treated with Rituxan + cyclophosphamide, vincristine, and prednsione (R-CVP). In January 2009, when AIHA and hemolysis of red blood cells returned, I had Rituxan + cyclophosphamide and dexamethasone (R-CD). I used this a few times to control the condition, with shorter and shorter periods until AIHA relapse. Starting in February 2010 I used Arzerra (ofatumumab) and Revlimid (lenalidomide), and then for a year and a half maintained control of the disease -- and the AIHA -- with Revlimid alone. Alas, the Revlimid came at a high price in terms of blood clotting issues, and as of 2012 I was treated with bendamustine and rituximab, which gave me a CR in the marrow and blood, leaving some swollen lymph nodes behind.
2013 is turning out to be my most challenging year yet, with the arrival of Richter's Transformation in April. Up to 10% of CLL patients can expect to develop Richter's, in which some of the CLL clones mutate into a more dangerous B cell lymphoma. Richter's is fatal in some 50% of cases, but it also can be beaten with chemotherapy and stem cell transplant. Read my latest posts for updates on my experience.
My best advice to patients is to gather all the facts you can about your CLL and then think ahead and plan ahead. Develop a long-term strategy, but expect to have to roll with the punches. And don't be rushed by doctors, family, or anyone else into a decision you are not comfortable with: Treating CLL is almost never an emergency. Take the time to learn and reflect, and then go with your intuition.
There are no guarantees that your choices will work out, of course, but at least you can rest assured that you put your heart and soul into making them. That sort of effort is the effort that can, with luck, beat cancer.
It's a peace sign, or a V for victory, not sure which
Quotes I Like
"The thing in life is not to know all the answers but rather to ask the right questions." -- Anonymous
"Hope is not the conviction that something will turn out well, but the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out." -- Vaclav Havel
"The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind." -- Blake
"We must be willing to let go of the life we have planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -- E.M. Forster
"Think of all the beauty still left around you and be happy." -- Anne Frank
“Panic is a projection that is not real. We are not just our fears. Our fears do not necessarily determine our future. This is significant.” -- Greg Anderson, lung cancer survivor
"I had a choice to make when they said I was going to die. I could chose to live the rest of my life dying, or I could chose to live life until I die. And I chose to live life'. -- Anonymous cancer patient
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." -- Soren Kierkegaard
"It's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another." -- Roseanne Rosannadanna
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